Dave Portnoy GOES OFF On Bitcoin, AI, Socialism & Being Fired From Barstool

[0:00] I walked out of that meeting, called
[0:01] Renee, my ex. I go, I just got fired
[0:04] from Barcel. I couldn't believe it. And
[0:05] we're changing, it's changing from
[0:06] Barcel Sportsbook to ESPN Bet, and they
[0:09] did this gigantic deal. I think it was
[0:12] 10 years, 2 billion is what this deal
[0:14] ended up being. Um, and ESPN would
[0:16] market everything. I talked to Erica, I
[0:18] talked to Dan, and we all kind of
[0:20] regrouped. What do we want to do here?
[0:22] All right guys, today we got a
[0:23] conversation with Dave Portoi. He's
[0:24] founder of Bartool Sports, and he wrote
[0:26] a great book, Cancel Me If You Can. It
[0:28] is absolutely hilarious. Uh in this
[0:30] conversation, we talk about how he
[0:32] almost got fired from Bar Stool or he
[0:33] did get fired. Uh we talk about his
[0:35] investments, how much money he's got,
[0:36] how much money he spends on a monthly
[0:38] basis. Talk about AI, what stocks he
[0:40] likes, what stocks he doesn't like,
[0:41] Bitcoin, is he a fan, is he not? How
[0:43] much does he hold? There's incredible
[0:45] amount of detail in here and he does it
[0:46] all in his own style. He just tells you
[0:48] the truth. It's pretty entertaining.
[0:50] Enjoy. Here's my conversation with Dave
[0:51] Portoy. All right, Dave, you got a new
[0:53] book out. Everyone is worried about all
[0:55] these little anecdotes, but the craziest
[0:56] story to me is that Penn, the company
[0:58] that had bought Bartool, fired you from
[1:01] Bartool Sports. How's that happen?
[1:04] >> Yeah. So, I I thought that would be the
[1:05] number one story in the book. It hasn't
[1:07] been so far, but essentially what
[1:09] happened, and I tell this story, we're
[1:11] in New York, and I had a great
[1:12] relationship with Jay Snowden. Like, we
[1:14] were
[1:14] >> CEO of Pen.
[1:15] >> Yep. CEO of Penn. Like, we we were lock
[1:18] step. I trusted him totally. He trusted
[1:20] me. We hadn't met in a bit. Is that
[1:23] going to be in New York City? Can Can
[1:25] you meet me for lunch? Of course. Sure.
[1:26] And hand to God, walking into the
[1:30] restaurant, it's a little Italian place.
[1:32] No empty. I go, "This looks like where
[1:33] somebody would get whacked like in a mob
[1:35] movie." I literally said it. We to him
[1:38] as we're walking in. We sat in the the
[1:40] back table in the corner, nobody around.
[1:43] And he starts telling me updates like
[1:44] updates on the business. He's like, "We
[1:46] uh are doing a huge deal with ESPN." Um,
[1:49] which was shocking to me, but great. I
[1:51] didn't know in my head. I'm like, "All
[1:52] right, so is ESPN going to promote
[1:55] Barcel Sports Book? Are we like, "What's
[1:57] going on?"
[1:58] >> Because you guys were kind of
[1:59] competitive a little bit in terms of you
[2:00] had a sports book and ESPN wanted to
[2:02] have a sports book and now the company
[2:03] was going to essentially do a deal.
[2:05] >> Yeah, ESPN was was basically a hired gun
[2:07] at that point. Like they could
[2:08] advertise. They may have been
[2:09] advertising DraftKings, FanDuel,
[2:11] whoever. They didn't have a specific
[2:14] company that they were advertising with.
[2:15] We were branded. So when you think
[2:17] FanDuel DraftKings, we had Barcel sports
[2:19] book along those and we hadn't actually
[2:22] promoted the sports book in quite a
[2:24] while because we got this new technology
[2:26] overhaul. So we had waited I think we
[2:28] skipped an entire football season of
[2:30] doing any promo. The thought being um we
[2:34] once the new technology launched, we
[2:36] would want to put all our marketing
[2:38] weight in and the market share would go
[2:41] up. So don't promote it till we're
[2:42] ready. Market share lower. We promote.
[2:45] Boom. we got the new technology of
[2:46] phoning goes up. So I thought that was
[2:48] going to be what the meeting was about
[2:49] and he says we did this big deal with
[2:51] ESPN. I I was wow that's that's crazy.
[2:56] And I asked him some questions. That's
[2:57] great. Is McAfee going to promote it? Is
[2:59] Scott Fel going to promote it? He's like
[3:01] yeah they're all in. This should be big
[3:02] for us. Okay great. And then he segueed
[3:05] to the next point which was like the
[3:07] only caveat to this deal which was a
[3:10] done deal is ESPN said Dave Portoy can
[3:15] absolutely not be part of Barcel sports
[3:17] or this deal. It was stunning. I I mean
[3:20] I was stunned and he continued it was I
[3:22] didn't get up be like oh my god what
[3:24] what are you talking about? I was taken
[3:25] aback and it takes a lot for me to be
[3:27] taken back but I was stunned and I just
[3:30] kind of sat there. is processing it and
[3:32] he continued and he's like all your
[3:34] stock options and when we did the pen
[3:36] deal we didn't get paid out immediately
[3:38] a lot of it was stock a lot of it vested
[3:41] all that was going to vest instantly um
[3:44] >> how much money was it
[3:45] >> tens of millions it was tens of millions
[3:47] so um I think maybe close to 30 or 40 if
[3:52] I'm going off memory would have I would
[3:54] have had to wait for I get right away uh
[3:56] and I'd be done with Barcel was a way
[3:58] out and at that time I certainly was
[4:01] getting a little tired of of of the
[4:03] >> How much money do you think you had made
[4:04] from the the whole deal before this
[4:08] >> 100?
[4:12] >> Uh I think the whole deal I was making
[4:16] about 100 if I recall. So
[4:18] >> maybe you made 60 or 70.
[4:20] >> Yeah, exactly. So um
[4:22] >> so 30 or 40 though is very material.
[4:25] >> Oh, super material. Super material. Um,
[4:28] so he explained this all to me and I'm
[4:30] listening and and he goes through the
[4:32] deal and I'd be out of the contract.
[4:34] Everything's vested and I I just kind of
[4:37] listen to it. The deal was already done.
[4:39] So we leave the meeting and I did say
[4:41] casually like what what if I don't want
[4:44] to be done? Like what he's like, well
[4:46] this is good. You get to go on your way.
[4:48] He knew it wasn't like it wasn't like
[4:50] I'm so gung-ho in the company right now.
[4:52] I walked out of that meeting called
[4:54] Renee, my ex. I go, I just got fired
[4:56] from Barcel. I couldn't believe it. He
[4:58] had set up uh meetings with Erica and
[5:01] Dan Bigat after me. And same story.
[5:04] Here's what we're doing. And we're so
[5:06] everything's
[5:06] >> Erica is a CEO of Bar
[5:07] >> CEO of Bartool. Dan's our like number
[5:09] one guy. And we're changing. It's
[5:11] changing from Barcel Sports book to ESPN
[5:14] Bet. And they did this gigantic deal. I
[5:16] think it was 10 years, two billion is
[5:18] what this deal ended up being. Um and
[5:20] ESPN would market everything. I talked
[5:22] to Erica. I talked to Dan and we all
[5:24] kind of regrouped and you're like, "What
[5:27] do we want to do here?" And they both
[5:30] were like, "We do not want to become
[5:32] ESPN employees. We don't want to work
[5:33] with ESPN." They wouldn't become
[5:34] employees, but for the lack of better
[5:36] words, they kind of would have. Um,
[5:38] also, I think we all realize, certainly
[5:41] I did, most of Barcel would have been
[5:43] fired. Like, no use for them. Like, we
[5:45] have our our bullpen of idiots and
[5:46] people been with us a long time. What
[5:49] are they going to do? they would have
[5:49] cut probably cut cost because they have
[5:51] this new media behemoth. So came around
[5:55] talked about it and it came to
[5:57] conclusion we we weren't going to go
[5:58] along with this. So I called Jay and I'm
[6:01] like listen I I cannot let ESPN fire me
[6:06] from my own company of 20 years at this
[6:08] point. This isn't going to work. They
[6:11] had already gone down the path. The ESPN
[6:13] deal was pretty much inked with the
[6:15] understanding I wouldn't be part of it.
[6:16] And uh I I pitched him the concept to
[6:20] make this work for you guys to go into
[6:21] your new venture with ESPN and to have
[6:23] us be happy and no problems because it
[6:27] if we were like holy cow we just got
[6:30] fired this new ESPN deal with Penn's
[6:32] probably dead on arrival
[6:35] because you don't have at that time a
[6:36] legal right to block the deal or to
[6:38] block yourself getting fired. No, no,
[6:40] they aren't.
[6:40] >> It's more of just like the power of Dave
[6:42] and Bar stool, these people on the
[6:44] internet pissed at us, is going to be
[6:45] bad news for our company.
[6:46] >> Correct. If you're going to ESPN and
[6:49] creating ESPN bet with Penn and you have
[6:53] me in the street saying, "Hold on, ESPN
[6:56] just fired me from my own company of 20
[6:59] years. You're going to go bet with them
[7:01] now?" Uh, I don't think that would have
[7:03] gone over that great. They don't want to
[7:05] go to war with you.
[7:05] >> No. And I did have a great relationship
[7:08] with Jay. So I pitched the concept, sell
[7:11] me back Barcel for a dollar. That's
[7:12] where that mythical dollar everyone
[7:14] >> that was that was your idea.
[7:15] >> Yeah, that was my idea.
[7:16] >> Where'd you get it from?
[7:17] >> Uh well, we couldn't do it for free
[7:19] because you have to do the transaction.
[7:21] >> But you talked to like a lawyer.
[7:23] >> Well, yeah, we had we had lawyers
[7:25] involved to do it, but they couldn't
[7:27] just give it to me. You have
[7:28] >> I know. But like when you first were
[7:29] like, "Hey, I think I'm going to pitch
[7:30] him on a dollar." Did the lawyers were
[7:32] there like that's a great idea or were
[7:33] they like there's no way they're going
[7:34] to do?
[7:34] >> There was no lawyers at that point. It
[7:35] was Jay and I talking like how do we
[7:37] make this work for everybody involved?
[7:39] So it was like I'll inherit all of our
[7:41] expenses and and there were expenses and
[7:44] all the payroll and everything. I'll
[7:45] take it over. Um
[7:47] >> you got to give me the company back for
[7:50] a buck. Uh and I believe there was
[7:54] till after the Super Bowl somewhere
[7:56] about 6 to 12 months we couldn't compete
[7:59] verse them. Then after that we could go
[8:01] get a contract. So, that was the deal we
[8:04] struck and it was really to part good
[8:07] ways with us, Penn, let them do the
[8:09] thing. I signed a 10-year NDA that said
[8:12] I could never discuss the details of
[8:14] this
[8:15] >> that you got fired
[8:16] >> that I got fired. That was ESPN because
[8:18] they don't want the blowback even now,
[8:20] right? Saying ESPN tried to fire Dave.
[8:22] Like, what the what? I can say anything.
[8:24] >> Why are you talking about it now?
[8:26] >> What the beauty of this? I'm finishing
[8:28] my book and the pen ESPN deal falls
[8:32] apart.
[8:32] >> It's a brand new book.
[8:34] >> Brand new book and I'm writing the last
[8:36] chapter. I didn't know how to finish it
[8:38] to be honest. I knew it was the perfect
[8:40] ending but it's like I can't tell it. Um
[8:42] because they had an if I tell if I bash
[8:44] ESPN uh they can come after me for
[8:46] everything. So I knew I couldn't do it.
[8:49] Word comes out this the ESPN pen deal
[8:51] was a total disaster. Like we weren't
[8:54] even promoting. We were getting better
[8:55] numbers than ESPN. So, the deal falls
[8:58] apart. The very first thing I do, I
[9:00] hadn't talked to Jay in forever.
[9:02] Hey, I just saw this deal fell apart.
[9:05] What do you think about me uh telling
[9:07] the truth about ESPN? And he gave me the
[9:09] green light. So, that provided the
[9:12] perfect ending to this book.
[9:13] >> I mean, pretty good dude if he let you
[9:15] buy the comedy back for a dollar and he
[9:17] let you tell the story
[9:18] >> 100 and I always got along with him. uh
[9:21] you know and I asked them after it was
[9:23] all over what because we always saw eye
[9:26] to eye. I'm like and and ESPN I don't
[9:28] know what went on behind their doors. I
[9:30] don't know why they were so I've always
[9:32] I've clearly maybe not clearly but I've
[9:34] had you know headbutts and and
[9:37] disagreements with ESPN.
[9:38] >> But is it like uh are they like a mortal
[9:40] enemy who deserves like a champagne
[9:42] bottle or is it more of just like it's
[9:43] healthy competition and all is fair and
[9:45] love and war?
[9:46] >> ESPN has been the best thing that's ever
[9:47] happened to the history of Barcel.
[9:49] They've given us two gifts beyond
[9:50] belief. So I don't look at them as that
[9:52] mortal enemy. They canceled Barto Stool
[9:54] Van Talk and reunited Bar Stool and put
[9:56] our best talent back together and kind
[9:59] of united and they handed me the company
[10:01] back for a dollar. So I don't look at
[10:02] them like that. We have gone to war I
[10:06] guess or exchange words with certain
[10:08] employees of theirs like Mina Kines
[10:10] works there who I absolutely despise and
[10:12] think she's one of the biggest frauds of
[10:14] all time. Um, but why they singled out
[10:17] like who knows if Bartol with ESPN could
[10:20] have been a successful venture. It was a
[10:24] interesting thing they did to put almost
[10:27] pen in that corner. Like we'll do the
[10:29] deal, but Dave can't be part of it. It
[10:31] helped us greatly. I asked Jay,
[10:35] I'm like, "What made you think, you know
[10:37] me as good as anybody at this point,
[10:39] what made you think I would let ESPN
[10:42] fire me for my own company?" And he he
[10:45] it was a fair answer. He's like, "I just
[10:46] thought you were done. Like you had been
[10:49] doing content for so long." He was with
[10:51] me through a lot of the worst parts of
[10:53] basically my life and attacks and
[10:55] things. And he stood by me far more than
[10:57] a lot of other companies would have. So
[10:59] he
[11:00] >> I I got where he was coming from like,
[11:02] "Hey, let's try ESPN. Bar stool is two
[11:04] steps forward, eight steps back because
[11:06] they get attacked by everybody in this
[11:08] legalized gambling world. It's very
[11:10] difficult." So, I got all that and he
[11:12] just was like, I thought you'd be happy
[11:14] to get the money, go buy your place in
[11:15] Nantucket and disappear.
[11:19] If I
[11:20] >> the regulators liked you or no,
[11:22] >> hated
[11:22] >> hated you.
[11:23] >> A couple states, you want to go to the
[11:25] deep south in Louisiana, they may like
[11:26] me. Massachusetts, my home state,
[11:28] despised me. There was like a meeting I
[11:31] used to watch it online the gambling
[11:33] like council. There was one particular
[11:37] lady who was so biased against us
[11:40] another member actually had to literally
[11:42] stand up and be like I need an objection
[11:44] to be filed that Barcel was being
[11:46] treated differently than all the other
[11:47] companies we've interviewed because they
[11:50] would go read old articles about me that
[11:51] aren't facts but treat them as facts. So
[11:54] it was
[11:55] >> I I think I say it in the book. We had a
[11:57] very early discussion when Penn bought
[11:59] us. Do we name the gambling app Barcel
[12:03] Sports book or come up with a new name?
[12:05] >> And it was a discussion around table and
[12:07] and I argued we keep it. I'm like we
[12:10] have so much equity in the name. I think
[12:13] it's important. hindsight probably would
[12:15] have been better off going a different
[12:16] name and pushing people to it because it
[12:18] it it just people have so many opinions
[12:21] about us and that's fine in my world now
[12:24] I don't care like you say whatever you
[12:26] want about me and if I want to come back
[12:27] at you I will can't do that when you're
[12:29] regulated by the government like and
[12:31] that was part of the deal I made with
[12:32] them
[12:33] >> when we did the deal it's like I won't
[12:35] attack government officials I won't talk
[12:36] on politics as much as I can um because
[12:39] we have to deal with these people and
[12:40] guess what one state may be very red
[12:43] where you need a license. The next may
[12:44] be very blue. So, you can't win unless
[12:46] you just keep your mouth shut.
[12:47] >> I think a lot of people try to figure
[12:49] out how did you build this thing, right?
[12:50] And so, I can only talk from my personal
[12:51] experience interacting with you. Um, the
[12:53] first time I think you and I ever met
[12:55] was during COVID. You were doing
[12:56] unboxings. You were doing Davy Day
[12:58] Trader, you know, all this stuff.
[12:59] >> You you cost me a lot of time getting
[13:01] ready to I had you made me have to
[13:03] accept Bitcoin for for the bar stool
[13:06] fun. No, before that before that, uh,
[13:08] you just randomly DM'd me and said,
[13:10] "I'll come on your podcast."
[13:12] >> Why?
[13:13] I would love to know because I didn't
[13:14] ask you to
[13:15] >> there had to be something tweeted at you
[13:17] I think but you you said so I was like
[13:18] okay fine you know you you were uh that
[13:20] was like your hall of fame years I think
[13:23] of content creation was during
[13:24] >> co Yeah y
[13:25] >> so we do it and then afterward we I
[13:28] think we both had fun y and then you
[13:29] were like hey uh let's try to figure
[13:31] something out and so you Erica etc we we
[13:34] all started talking about stuff and
[13:36] there's two defining moments that I
[13:37] remember the first is uh I was sitting
[13:40] in the office uh with Erica and we were
[13:43] talking and you came in, you had about
[13:45] maybe twice as big of a iced coffee that
[13:47] you were drinking and you were pacing
[13:48] back and forth and we were talking about
[13:50] doing bar stool finance and partnership
[13:52] all this stuff right
[13:53] >> and one of the things that we kept
[13:55] talking about was should we invent some
[13:57] kind of game or sport and I remember
[13:58] we're talking about like should we do
[13:59] heads up trading what all this stuff
[14:02] >> you're just pacing back and forth and
[14:04] all of a sudden you just start muttering
[14:05] I don't know to us or to yourself they
[14:07] never saw me coming they never saw me
[14:09] coming
[14:09] >> what was I talking about
[14:10] >> Wall Street
[14:12] And I look at you and I say and I say,
[14:15] "Dave, three days ago you were on TV.
[14:17] You had a cigar in your mouth saying
[14:18] you're the king of Wall Street. And
[14:19] yesterday you were pulling Scrabble
[14:21] letters out of a bag saying, you know,
[14:22] this is so easy. I'm better than Warren
[14:24] Buffet."
[14:24] >> Yep.
[14:26] >> And Erica and I both were like, "This is
[14:29] electric content. Like there there's no
[14:31] way to beat this." And of course, Wall
[14:32] Street doesn't know how to compete with,
[14:33] you know what I mean? Like like CNBC
[14:35] can't do this. None of this stuff. And
[14:36] so I don't think any of that was
[14:38] planned. Like I think the scrabble bag
[14:39] you probably just grabbed and was like
[14:41] this will be funny and then it turns
[14:43] into a thing. Is that like how most of
[14:45] the content got created?
[14:46] >> All of the content. I mean there there
[14:48] we we we do a we have a lot of people a
[14:50] lot of talented people myself included.
[14:52] You try different things. You see what
[14:54] resonates but yeah uh like DDTG
[14:58] was massive when it was going and
[15:01] clearly that was never something I
[15:02] thought that was uh early days of co it
[15:06] was we just did the deal with Penn. It's
[15:07] supposed to be sports gambling. We
[15:09] signed the deal. The ink's not even dry.
[15:11] One of the all-time most disparal
[15:13] stories ever is when we rang the bell on
[15:15] NASDAQ. It was the worst day in the
[15:18] history of NASDAQ. Like we're popping
[15:20] champagne and the entire board behind
[15:22] you is just bright red. Like the country
[15:24] is ending. The world is ending. No one
[15:26] knows what's going
[15:29] bottles um to celebrate the sale. But
[15:32] that was that's how recent like the deal
[15:34] was signed. Co sport sports go away.
[15:37] >> Good thing you got assigned
[15:38] >> ex really and I didn't know if they were
[15:41] going to business. Their stock went down
[15:42] to like$3 or $2 and I wasn't that close
[15:45] with Jay yet. We just did the deal. So I
[15:48] didn't know what was going on but I knew
[15:50] we were supposed to promote sports
[15:51] gambling. That's why they bought us
[15:52] gone. So it's like all right well the
[15:54] stock market's still going. Um and I
[15:57] decided to do that a day. We had Glenny
[15:59] Balls big fat Glenny and I'm like hey
[16:02] first day I'm like Glenny give me a
[16:03] stock. It was around 11:45. He goes,
[16:06] "People get hungry at lunch." Shake
[16:08] Shack. So, I bought Shake Shack and we
[16:11] just started watching the stock market
[16:12] and people were riveted and I was all
[16:15] through co
[16:15] >> I mean to be honest, people do eat
[16:17] lunch. So, they do eat lunch.
[16:19] >> They do eat lunch and I think he bought
[16:21] that stock around like 30 and at one
[16:25] point it was like triple. Um, so I went
[16:28] live every morning the stock market,
[16:31] opening bell, closing bell for about 15,
[16:33] 20 minutes, putting millions like into
[16:36] it, day trading it. And it it took off.
[16:39] And Wall Street at first, I think, hey,
[16:43] it's funny. This is cute. We're going to
[16:44] have fun with them. And then I think
[16:46] they started not liking me as much and
[16:48] everything. But I still
[16:52] uh like think Wall Street is just an
[16:54] insiders game and and the biggest casino
[16:57] and the people try to like you know the
[17:01] gatekeep basically.
[17:02] >> They I my take on it was they didn't
[17:04] like that you were saying the truth in
[17:06] such a like crude transparent way cuz
[17:08] you were like stocks always go up. Yes.
[17:09] >> Right. And they were like oh you're not
[17:11] supposed to say that. Right. And you're
[17:12] like no no no literally just look at the
[17:13] market.
[17:13] >> Look at the history of the stock market.
[17:15] Right.
[17:15] >> It just keeps going up. Like you guys
[17:16] are not smart. the stock market. They
[17:18] had never dealt with an internet guy.
[17:21] So, you know, I'm saying I'm the new
[17:23] captain of the internet and Warren
[17:26] Buffett's old and and like what do you
[17:28] trust like an 80-year-old guy to run any
[17:30] business? Why are you listening to him?
[17:31] And there was also one of those moments,
[17:34] those peak moments where I was like, I
[17:38] don't think airlines or cruises are
[17:40] going out of business. So Spirit
[17:42] Airline, which is now out of business,
[17:44] is like a was trading down to like six
[17:47] bucks. I'm like, I'm going all in on
[17:49] Spirit Airlines. Big whoop-dedoo.
[17:51] We fly in this country. No less than 10
[17:54] minutes later. Warren Buffett's like,
[17:56] I'm selling all my stock in the
[17:58] airlines. So I posed it, me verse
[18:00] Buffett. And Spirit Airlines actually
[18:02] ripped. It went from like 6 to 21 in
[18:04] that span. So I'm like, you follow this
[18:07] idiot. Now I'm putting on a show. It's
[18:09] it's
[18:11] >> But you were right though. I mean,
[18:12] >> I was in that case. I was totally right.
[18:14] But I'm still I'm talking in Barcel
[18:16] language. Well, when you see Dave Porto,
[18:18] he says he's the new captain of the
[18:20] stock market. Warren Buffett's old and
[18:21] washed up. In the Wall Street Journal,
[18:23] it hits a little different, but that's
[18:24] what was happening. I was spoofed on
[18:26] billions. They like they had a guy
[18:28] sitting at a desk whacking. So, that was
[18:30] a a whole new audience that that was
[18:33] introduced. But I think a lot of people
[18:34] also started to realize like you were
[18:36] essentially a mirror to what was really
[18:38] happening in the market. Like there was
[18:39] tons of young people coming in all this,
[18:41] right? So like in a weird way, maybe you
[18:44] were just like a older version of what
[18:45] was actually happening, but you were the
[18:47] one who was communicating it as directly
[18:49] as possible to the people on the
[18:50] internet.
[18:50] >> Yeah. And then the GameStop thing
[18:52] happened and I was dead smack in the
[18:54] middle of it because I'm day trading and
[18:57] like,
[18:58] >> didn't you bully Steve Cohen off the
[18:59] internet? Yeah, Steve Con deleted uh his
[19:01] his
[19:02] >> Tell that story cuz I know I actually
[19:03] know the other side of that story.
[19:05] >> Yeah. So, the GameStop thing happens and
[19:08] I'm trying to ride it like everybody
[19:10] else. I was maybe a day or two late, but
[19:12] I'm like, "Oh my god, the Wall Street
[19:13] Bets thing's going bananas." Roaring
[19:15] Kitty had posted a video about me like
[19:19] before this happened. He's like, "People
[19:21] are making fun of David Day Trader. He's
[19:23] going to the moon." Like before Roaring
[19:25] Kitty was Roaring Kitty. So, I I was in
[19:27] the middle of it. And then all of a
[19:29] sudden, you can't buy it. You can only
[19:31] sell it. And the thing craters. I think
[19:33] I lost 70 grand on it. I'm like, what?
[19:35] What is going on? As was everybody else,
[19:38] mostly noviceses and a lot of people
[19:40] actually who didn't trade stocks, who
[19:42] had heard about it, friends who signed
[19:44] up for accounts and put money into this
[19:46] thing to be totally screwed. Like
[19:48] totally screwed. Uh Vlad Tennoff, he his
[19:51] first interview was with me. I had on
[19:54] DDTG and I'm grilling him. He's trying
[19:56] to be like hipster. He was wearing a
[19:57] Lakers hat. I didn't know half the stuff
[19:59] I was talking about because I wasn't
[20:01] overly fluent. Um, and Steve Cohen, it
[20:05] went through. So that's it. It the way I
[20:08] remember it is it appeared to me that
[20:12] Citadel Steve Cohen were trying to bail
[20:15] out all these the the hedge funds, the
[20:19] people who are shorting it. So I was
[20:20] hammering Steve Cohen, who doesn't have
[20:23] the best Wall Street reputation. I'm
[20:24] like, "Did you guys do the inside trade?
[20:26] Are you getting the information from
[20:28] Robin Hood? Are you involved in this?
[20:30] >> He had just like gotten on Twitter
[20:31] started
[20:32] >> because he bought the Mets. Because he
[20:33] bought the Mets.
[20:34] >> So he got on. So the the side of the
[20:35] story I know is that he basically was
[20:37] like, I'm going to talk to the fans. And
[20:38] when this is all going on, he has a
[20:40] bunch of people around him. Yep.
[20:41] >> Who are like, hey,
[20:43] >> let us help you. Let us review the
[20:45] tweets, you know, like kind of doing the
[20:46] thing that if you're there to like
[20:48] mitigate risk. Yep.
[20:49] >> Number one is don't let the billionaire
[20:51] tweet directly to the people.
[20:53] >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. And supposedly he was
[20:55] like, "Nah, I got it." And he just told
[20:57] everyone like, "Leave it alone." And
[20:59] then he did not, I think, realize who he
[21:01] was engaging with.
[21:02] >> Yeah. He he came and went quick and and
[21:04] and who I I've gone back and forth like
[21:08] I I've never met him. I've heard stories
[21:11] like he's somebody if if you want to put
[21:14] down a list of people you don't want to
[21:15] cross, he's generally high on that list.
[21:18] So I don't know if that has complicated
[21:20] things down the road, but yeah, he he
[21:21] deleted it quick. like his
[21:23] >> So he deleted the entire account.
[21:25] >> Yeah. Gone.
[21:25] >> And what did you do when that happened?
[21:27] >> I said I ran him off I ran him off
[21:29] Twitter. He's come back. But and I still
[21:32] ask every once in a while. I mean they
[21:34] they the movie Dumb Money which was
[21:36] about that whole thing. I still don't
[21:37] know how because we get threats de uh
[21:40] like take down requests all this. The
[21:44] movie Dumb Money used a clip of me in
[21:47] the movie without asking me, which I
[21:49] still don't know how. They had the clip
[21:52] of me talking to Vlad Tennoff, except
[21:55] instead of Vlad, they put in the actor
[21:56] who played, but I was still real and it
[21:59] was still the real conversation. No one
[22:02] No one told me. It's like, oh, I'm in
[22:03] the movie. Do
[22:04] >> Do you want a royalty check?
[22:05] >> No, my ego is fine with being in the
[22:06] movie. And maybe they knew that. Like,
[22:08] trust me, this guy's just going to be
[22:09] happy as mentioned. But yeah, so it was
[22:11] like every somehow
[22:14] a trait of mine and ability of mine.
[22:18] It's not on purpose. We're pretty good
[22:19] at ending up smack dab in the middle of
[22:22] big things. Like how in the world was I
[22:25] in the middle of a GameStop controversy?
[22:26] But I was there and I but it's also on
[22:28] the internet. And I think that there is
[22:30] something about like having your finger
[22:32] on the pulse of what's happening and and
[22:34] I think being able to communicate what
[22:37] you're thinking. One of your greatest
[22:38] skills is just like you just say what
[22:40] you think. Yeah.
[22:40] >> Right. And so you're like, "Hey, what
[22:42] what are all these people over here
[22:43] doing?" It's kind of like you're walking
[22:43] down the sidewalk, you see a big group
[22:45] gathering and you're just nosy, right?
[22:47] Like, "Hey, what's this group?"
[22:49] >> And for the for this for the finance,
[22:51] they just had never
[22:54] there hadn't been an innovation in how
[22:56] people talked about finance probably
[22:58] till Mad Money. Like, and Mad Money had
[23:00] been around forever. There weren't
[23:01] people making hype videos like I was
[23:04] making
[23:05] >> green dildo or whatever. the green I had
[23:07] a green hammer. I mean, I was going
[23:09] after these these like hedge the people
[23:12] on TV. I mean, I was crucifying them and
[23:15] and they didn't know how to react. And
[23:17] by the way, if you react, you probably
[23:19] lost because I have a team of like
[23:22] ninjas making these hype videos for me.
[23:25] So, it was uh it was something.
[23:27] >> Yeah. I mean, it was pretty entertaining
[23:29] at minimum, right? All right. Um, so the
[23:31] second interaction uh or part of this
[23:33] interaction is we started talking about,
[23:34] hey, should we go do this deal or
[23:35] whatever? And uh I never really thought
[23:37] that this was like a a big deal or
[23:39] anything that was noteworthy, but I
[23:41] heard Big Cat on a podcast say that I
[23:43] was one of the only people to ever go
[23:45] through, hey, should we do something
[23:46] together and walk away? And he was very
[23:48] uh shocked because the deal that you had
[23:50] offered at the time was let's do bar
[23:51] stool finance and we'd be 50/50 partners
[23:53] on it. And the part that I got hung up
[23:55] on was I was to take all of the assets
[23:58] and contribute them to it and you guys
[23:59] would bring the bar stool machine. And a
[24:01] world I come out of is you got to buy
[24:02] it, right? And so we just were like,
[24:04] "Hey, look, we like each other. We think
[24:05] this could be pretty powerful, whatever,
[24:07] but I'm like, hey, look, you guys got to
[24:09] buy it. You guys like, no, you just
[24:10] contribute it." And the reason why that
[24:12] was so interesting to me was I think I
[24:14] got an insight into how you guys worked
[24:16] with so many of these creators, right?
[24:17] Most of them aren't businessoriented.
[24:18] They don't selling their Instagram
[24:20] account or whatever. It's like not a
[24:21] thing. But then you look at your track
[24:24] record and the ability to supercharge
[24:26] these people, whether it's the, you
[24:27] know, Call Her Daddies or whatever.
[24:28] Like, I don't know if there's anybody
[24:30] who's got a bigger hits business than
[24:32] you guys have had over the last 15 years
[24:34] or so. Taking people who nobody knows
[24:36] and making them huge stars, right?
[24:38] >> Yeah. I I I've said that. Uh I think I
[24:42] would put our roster of digital media,
[24:45] new age media stars up against any
[24:48] network really. um you know if you
[24:51] include me but me big cat PFT and then
[24:56] you look I mean busting with the boys
[24:57] spitting chicklets uh
[25:00] >> call her daddy
[25:00] >> call her daddy Jenna marbles
[25:02] >> even KFC on Instagram and stuff one
[25:05] minute you know man all yeah it it that
[25:08] is that is the model what you just
[25:10] described and that is how we do the
[25:12] model with a lot of the people it it's
[25:14] uh now I don't know if we had like a
[25:16] term on yours like the the talent is
[25:18] generally
[25:20] Well, you do two or three years. Very
[25:22] similar to an athlete in a way.
[25:24] >> You basically sign them and then there's
[25:26] some sort of like revenue share
[25:27] component to it, right?
[25:28] >> Yeah. It depends how big they are when
[25:29] they come into our world on what that
[25:31] is.
[25:31] >> Now you've started to uh eat into more.
[25:34] So now you guys, you know, you've gotten
[25:36] into alcohol, you do the events, you
[25:37] sign the big deal with Fox, do you know
[25:39] the Saturday football stuff. Like it
[25:41] almost feels like you guys as a business
[25:42] have graduated. Are you still looking
[25:44] for some of like the undiscovered talent
[25:46] and that's still part of the model or do
[25:47] you feel like you've reached a point now
[25:49] where
[25:49] >> we always are. It's it's far more
[25:52] difficult to find that talent now. Um
[25:56] because they don't need us as much. It
[25:59] it it really you're evaluating two
[26:01] things. Hey, we can as you said
[26:03] supercharge
[26:05] your career if you're talented. You can
[26:07] basically cut the line. You can grow
[26:09] really fast. But in this day and age of,
[26:12] you know, streaming and Twitch and
[26:16] Instagram and Snapchat and and Tik Tok,
[26:19] you can build a pretty big brand without
[26:22] being attached to a network. It's a lot
[26:23] easier. So you that that's what people
[26:26] who try to hire have to weigh. Um we're
[26:30] always looking, but it's we're we're not
[26:33] going like it's not the number one
[26:35] priority. If we find them, great. We
[26:36] will hire them, but we're not out there
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[29:24] >> I I think one of the aspects is like you
[29:25] guys have always been edgy, right? And
[29:27] so you have this line in the book that's
[29:28] like you don't cancel me, I cancel you.
[29:30] And you look at, you know, pen deal,
[29:32] right? You look at Steve Cohen. I mean,
[29:34] we can just go through all these
[29:35] examples. There's some people who are
[29:37] really attracted to that and they want
[29:38] to come and work with you guys, etc.
[29:39] There's a lot of people who are just
[29:40] like, "These guys are [ __ ] crazy. I
[29:42] don't want to be associated with them."
[29:44] Whatever.
[29:45] >> A huge reason is because the media came
[29:47] after you. How bad was that? Like I I
[29:49] know that people look at you and they're
[29:50] like, "Oh, he he punches back." And
[29:52] there's a lot of folks who I think are
[29:53] inspired by that or whatever, but like
[29:55] I've had people come after me. I've had,
[29:57] you know, death threats, all it's not
[29:58] fun. I can't imagine that you were in a
[30:00] good spot.
[30:00] >> The Business Insider stuff was the
[30:02] lowest I've been uh probably in the bar
[30:06] stool 20 something years.
[30:09] >> Like you felt like you were under
[30:10] attack.
[30:11] >> Yeah. And it's not only under attack. I
[30:12] I I knew there were lies and I knew what
[30:15] they were going to write. And you know,
[30:17] the day before the article comes out,
[30:18] like I call my parents and be like,
[30:20] "Just heads up, this is going to be
[30:21] written about me tomorrow and everyone's
[30:24] going to be talking about it." That's a
[30:25] horrible thing to do. My girlfriend at
[30:26] the time, ex-girlfriend, I hadn't met
[30:28] her parents yet. They're saying really,
[30:32] I mean, if we're just being blunt, they
[30:34] got away with saying they didn't accuse
[30:36] me of rape. And in the article, it's
[30:38] like there isn't, but the headline's
[30:39] rape. Like they they said it's basically
[30:41] reads is rape.
[30:43] >> Um, totally made up. It was to me it was
[30:47] very depressing. It was very scary that
[30:49] that can be done on that level and and I
[30:52] you know I fought that tooth and nail. I
[30:54] tried to sue didn't get anywhere with
[30:56] that. Uh and even that will be misconst
[31:00] malice like because they didn't they
[31:03] didn't say I was in jail when I wasn't.
[31:05] But if I could ever get like the emails
[31:08] on how this happened and where it came
[31:10] from, there's no amount of money I
[31:11] wouldn't pay for that because I know it
[31:13] was a hit piece and I don't know where
[31:14] it came from. So yeah, that uh that was
[31:18] a bad time. I don't care about a lot of
[31:19] the other stuff. Like I it's so
[31:22] >> But that's the one that bothered me.
[31:24] >> That's the one. And still did you think
[31:26] about giving up at any point just being
[31:27] like I'm just going to go away?
[31:28] >> No, but I mean I still live with it
[31:30] every day. Like, you know, we were just
[31:32] talking a little bit about politics
[31:34] before we started and and people don't
[31:36] like me. Like, they'll quote that
[31:38] article like it's real and be like, "Oh,
[31:40] you're going to listen to this guy and
[31:42] there's nothing I can ever do to change
[31:43] it." But that's that'll be with me
[31:45] forever on totally false.
[31:49] And when I say false, I always make it
[31:51] clear. I'm not talking like, oh, there's
[31:52] 0.11
[31:54] chance. There's zero. It's just a madeup
[31:56] article. Um, so that that was low. you
[32:00] you I think you are the uh I don't know
[32:01] if you call uh the Wall Street
[32:03] communications uh strategy innovation. I
[32:05] know you call it that. I don't know if
[32:06] that's really innovation, but I do think
[32:08] the innovation was like, "Oh, you're a
[32:10] journalist. Well, why don't we just sit
[32:11] down, have a conversation, and we'll
[32:13] just roll the cameras, no editing, and
[32:15] we'll just see what happens."
[32:17] >> Which
[32:17] >> I had never heard anyone say that to a
[32:19] reporter before. That was the funniest
[32:20] [ __ ] of all time.
[32:21] >> And they won't do it. Like, which is
[32:23] which is always my point. like the
[32:26] business insider and then the New York
[32:27] Times each spent a year plus in my life
[32:31] and didn't want to sit down with the
[32:33] subject they were interviewing. And by
[32:34] the way, they never talked to my ex-wife
[32:36] who I was married to for 5 years, dated
[32:38] for five, never talked to Erica and
[32:39] Nardini, never talked to any of our
[32:40] female employees. They were just calling
[32:42] every people would send me uh audio
[32:44] recordings of the reporter and they were
[32:46] crazy that it's like they're so digging.
[32:48] So yes, I've always said even this book
[32:50] tour, people would come up and and I'd
[32:53] be like, "Yeah, I'll do it." But uh I'm
[32:56] recording it. The Wall Street Journal
[32:57] literally came over and and he he said,
[33:02] "I I hadn't read your book and I heard
[33:04] all your requests to do this interview
[33:06] and I was very confused why you were
[33:08] like, I have to record it." And then
[33:10] he's like, "I read your book. I I
[33:11] understand now why you want to record
[33:13] it." And I learned that early on. I
[33:14] learned that uh from Inside Edition and
[33:18] a clip that will still This is when I
[33:20] was young, naive, dumb. I thought they
[33:22] were going to do a fair interview. It
[33:24] was a hit piece and it was all it was
[33:25] two hours chopped into 45 seconds of
[33:27] making me look like Hitler and I'm like,
[33:29] "Okay, I'm going to have to be a little
[33:31] more careful because I am I I was naive
[33:33] at that point."
[33:34] >> Well, you come from the internet, you
[33:35] come from newspapers, right? And then
[33:36] all of a sudden it's like, "Hey, these
[33:37] people have an agenda and they've got
[33:39] distribution in a a game where you don't
[33:41] have a megaphone back. Like you can't
[33:42] reach the TV audience without going
[33:43] through." Correct. Right.
[33:44] >> And and I grew up in a household like my
[33:46] dad New York Times gossip like CNN
[33:49] gossip. That's that's the household I
[33:51] grew up in. And and it's kind of what I
[33:53] just thought. I like I never till I got
[33:55] into Barcel really thought about, oh,
[33:58] the the Times has left or the Washington
[34:00] Post has left. That never crossed my
[34:02] mind really. I I I didn't pay that much
[34:04] attention. Uh you mentioned politics. Uh
[34:06] you're all over the news right now
[34:08] because you said that you may run for
[34:09] mayor of New York City. Why not just run
[34:11] for president?
[34:14] I mean it really the the the New York
[34:16] City thing is because I'm specifically
[34:19] it's not I guess only here but I am
[34:21] overly disgusted with what is going on
[34:24] with who's being elected from Mandami
[34:27] down to these primaries and the things
[34:29] they've said.
[34:31] They've let the fox into the hen house.
[34:33] And I am as I'm sure you are but I'm an
[34:36] entrepreneur. I'm a capitalist. I'm not
[34:38] saying this country is perfect but I do
[34:39] love this country. And they're openly
[34:41] like saying they hate the country and
[34:42] they want over I mean it it doesn't even
[34:44] sound real when you're like well she
[34:46] found a group that wanted to overthrow
[34:48] western society and that she said
[34:50] >> like state the stated uh mission of the
[34:53] group.
[34:53] >> Correct. And it's like that we're
[34:55] electing her like and Mandami's got her
[34:58] hand in the air and they're doing a pub
[35:00] crawl. So that's that's shocking to me.
[35:03] That's really uh that's why I said New
[35:06] York City because you know he he is
[35:10] doing what he said he wanted to do
[35:13] before he got elected which is get as
[35:15] many socialists elected and then
[35:18] basically seize the means of
[35:19] communication and they truly seem like
[35:21] they don't like this country and they
[35:23] want a major change. So that's when you
[35:25] know I get asked
[35:26] >> I go back and forth on it. I like could
[35:28] I win in New York? Probably not. a lot
[35:30] of people being like, "You're going to
[35:30] win in New York
[35:32] >> because the Democrat
[35:33] >> demographics uh stronghold."
[35:35] >> Yeah. Yeah. I think it'll be really hard
[35:36] and outsider, but who knows? Um
[35:39] >> would you run as a Republican or an
[35:40] independent?
[35:41] >> Probably independent. But I'll tell you
[35:42] what I would do, which would be a little
[35:45] shift from Mandami. He's got these
[35:48] idiotic politicians who don't know what
[35:50] the internet is, and he uses it like a
[35:52] weapon. He's never gone up against
[35:54] somebody who can be like, "Not so fast."
[35:56] Like, "You think you're good at the
[35:58] internet? I'm pretty good at the
[35:59] internet myself. So, it would be a very
[36:02] different type of opponent for him than
[36:05] what he's used to. It's almost like he's
[36:08] treating like how I was treating Wall
[36:10] Street. They don't know what to do when
[36:11] he's making these cutesy videos.
[36:13] >> Yeah. He he's got kind of like a Mr.
[36:15] Rogers Neighborhood vibe in the videos.
[36:17] By the way, he's an excellent
[36:19] communicator at doing it.
[36:20] >> He's very good. He's very savvy. Um, and
[36:23] he knows how to use the internet and
[36:25] social media and appeal to these people
[36:27] and and the people he's campaigned
[36:29] against have absolutely no answers and
[36:31] no idea how to combat that.
[36:34] >> I I may not win, but
[36:37] >> for some internet stuff, I'll do some
[36:39] internet stuff.
[36:40] >> I think that uh your meme warfare would
[36:44] be very good compared to like Mr. Rogers
[36:46] Neighborhoods.
[36:47] >> Totally. And I'm sure
[36:50] I could raise an absolute war chest
[36:54] because there's a lot of people who do
[36:56] not like this guy. So, uh, yeah. I mean,
[36:59] you asked in the beginning off camera
[37:00] like, "Is it real?" It is real. Do I
[37:02] think it's going to happen? No. But
[37:04] there's a lot of times I feel like my
[37:06] dad on the other side, I I can't get out
[37:08] of this space. Like, it's social media.
[37:11] It's the TV. And I I really am like,
[37:13] what is going on in this country?
[37:15] Specifically starting in New York. I
[37:17] feel like Mandami is the head of the
[37:18] snake. Um, so that's why I said New
[37:21] York. And then other days I'm like,
[37:22] Dave, you have a great life. You're in
[37:25] Isle Marada half the year in the Keys
[37:27] and Nucket and you've made it. Why?
[37:29] Like, why do you want this? I mean, I
[37:31] said that about Trump. Like, what made
[37:33] Trump want to be president? Seem to have
[37:34] a pretty good life. And there's no
[37:36] dirtier game than politics.
[37:38] >> 100%. How many houses you have?
[37:40] >> Great question. Uh, I have
[37:45] five. Five houses. One's got mold in it
[37:49] being fixed.
[37:50] >> So, it's pretty crazy to go from the
[37:52] newspapers to you had to think for a
[37:54] second how many houses you have.
[37:55] >> Yes.
[37:56] >> Yeah. I Yeah. Listen, Bar stool has been
[38:01] that that's what the book really did.
[38:02] It's like you look back and it's like,
[38:04] how did we do this? I don't even know.
[38:07] Could it ever be done again in the it
[38:09] probably not the right time, right
[38:10] place? Um, I never dreamed it we'd
[38:15] become this successful. It's been a
[38:17] wild, wild ride.
[38:19] >> How much money do you think you spend in
[38:20] a month?
[38:22] >> I have no clue. I mean, I'm actually not
[38:25] an overly I like horses.
[38:27] >> Yeah.
[38:28] >> Uh, and I bet on sports, but I'm not
[38:30] like flashier going out. So,
[38:32] >> like I I I my take on you is like you
[38:35] don't really party and do all like the
[38:37] crazy things where like most people blow
[38:39] a bunch of money but you know horses and
[38:41] houses like those are expensive.
[38:42] >> Yeah. Yeah. Those are but the houses are
[38:44] an investment. So it's like if the house
[38:46] listen I don't think you can go wrong
[38:47] where I'm getting the houses and and if
[38:50] this the money is sitting in the stock
[38:52] market we're sitting in real estate to
[38:54] me that that's
[38:55] >> Did you buy any of the houses sight
[38:57] unseen
[38:59] >> or did you visit each one of them?
[39:02] >> I visited each one of them and I had the
[39:05] same feeling. So Nucket's my favorite
[39:07] place in the world. Dream place going.
[39:10] Had the absolute
[39:13] like best feeling when I walked through
[39:15] the door. That was the same with my
[39:17] aisle Marada house.
[39:18] >> You just knew.
[39:19] >> Just knew. And then Saratoga, I bought a
[39:21] tear down and rebuilt it near the track.
[39:23] So those are the three that I'm really
[39:25] in.
[39:26] >> All right. Um, in the content game, one
[39:28] of the things that I hear people talking
[39:29] about, but I haven't really seen anyone
[39:30] do yet is all this AI content. you worry
[39:33] about that at all with Barcel?
[39:36] >> In what sense?
[39:37] >> Like if somebody shows up and is like,
[39:39] "Hey, we don't even need the talent
[39:40] anymore. Forget like I think you called
[39:41] it, you know, your your circus of idiots
[39:44] and we can just like remove all the cost
[39:46] of this and we're just going to use
[39:47] computers."
[39:47] >> Yeah. Well, that luckily for the morons
[39:50] who work for me, I I wouldn't do that.
[39:52] But I could I could replace 90% of my
[39:56] staff with AI. I did my audio book and I
[40:00] couldn't read. Like, I can't read. I
[40:01] actually think I do have dyslexia a
[40:03] little bit. Like I hated it. So I spent
[40:06] 10 grand to have this very advanced AI
[40:09] read it. You could not tell the
[40:11] difference. I couldn't tell the
[40:12] difference. My parents couldn't tell the
[40:13] difference. They won't let me do it. The
[40:15] book company's like can't do it. Like
[40:16] you
[40:17] >> So you had to read it.
[40:17] >> Yeah. So I had to read it. But the AI
[40:20] was so good. It was scary. Like nobody
[40:24] would ever know it was me. It was
[40:26] picking up everything. So, of course, AI
[40:29] could replace
[40:30] >> Mhm.
[40:30] >> these fools I have. Although, we have
[40:34] had a couple employees try to use AI and
[40:36] it almost makes them too intelligent
[40:38] where we're like, "That's not you
[40:40] because it's too good." So, but it it it
[40:43] is it is a tool that if I wasn't working
[40:46] for us, like if we sold or I was out and
[40:50] it was ESPN and pen, 100% that would be
[40:53] a concern.
[40:54] >> Do you use any other AI tools like on
[40:55] day-to-day basis? No, none. I mean,
[40:57] well, I use like chat.
[40:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. We got to get you on Sylvia.
[41:01] You You seen that yet? No.
[41:02] >> We We built this product. You uh go in
[41:04] and you attach all your accounts, like
[41:06] your financial accounts. You just talk
[41:07] to it about your finances. Oh.
[41:09] >> So, if you were like uh you know, hey,
[41:10] should I buy the horse or not? Yeah.
[41:12] >> It has all
[41:12] >> I don't want to disparage one of your
[41:15] products since it's yours, but that
[41:17] sounds like one of those horror movies
[41:19] where the robot takes over your finances
[41:21] and you go and log in. I'm out of money.
[41:23] >> It can't It can't touch the money. can't
[41:25] touch the money. Well, maybe it'd be too
[41:27] smart, right? Is like
[41:28] >> eventually it it eventually one day
[41:31] there's a like one of these and there's
[41:33] been a lot of the movies where the
[41:34] robots become too intelligent like turn
[41:36] around kill the humans.
[41:37] >> That's going to happen with AI and we're
[41:39] going to be like we who couldn't have
[41:40] seen this coming. I mean it's becoming
[41:42] that smart.
[41:42] >> You do you worry about that? Like
[41:44] >> no conspira but I mean it's crazy how
[41:47] what it can do.
[41:49] >> Yeah. Cfossilia.com. You should check it
[41:51] out. Um your uh ex-wife. Yep. You said
[41:54] that she was the first person you called
[41:55] when they tried to fire you from Barto
[41:56] stool. I also saw a clip that she still
[41:59] has access to your bank account.
[42:00] >> Yeah, that's a Shan Sharp clip. It like
[42:02] crazy viral.
[42:03] >> Okay, so uh explain what's going on
[42:05] there.
[42:06] >> Yeah, so she's really one of my best
[42:09] friends still to this day. Uh she was
[42:11] with me from day one. Literally in the
[42:13] book it's like she would hand out
[42:15] newspapers day one. So we always had a
[42:17] great relationship. We didn't separate
[42:20] because
[42:22] there was some scandal or anything else.
[42:24] We both it it we had love for each
[42:27] other, but maybe we weren't in love, if
[42:29] that makes any sense. But I've trust her
[42:31] implicitly. She's somebody who was there
[42:34] with me from day one. Like living every
[42:38] up, living every down. Hey, we got to go
[42:40] move in with your in-laws. We have no
[42:42] money. We can't do this. We can't. Never
[42:44] complained. Always like very supportive.
[42:46] Had my back. So to me, she's she's part
[42:49] of the growth and really we separated
[42:50] when the thing exploded. Trust her
[42:53] always. Um,
[42:55] so it it never really occurred. We
[42:57] didn't get divorced right off the bat.
[43:00] In fact, we still haven't. But it the
[43:02] reason the beginning was like, let's see
[43:03] what separation's like.
[43:05] >> And we stayed separated and, you know,
[43:08] the money was coming in. She can do
[43:09] whatever. I trust her. She could have
[43:11] always at any point still today be like,
[43:12] I'm taking all the money. I'm running. I
[43:14] just know she would never do it. is
[43:15] trusting somebody as much as I trust my
[43:17] parents. Really? Um, we did try to get
[43:20] divorce. It got denied by Massachusetts.
[43:22] >> Why?
[43:22] >> Uh, so
[43:24] >> I didn't even know they could do that.
[43:25] >> Neither did I. It was news to me. Um, we
[43:28] had an agreement set up.
[43:30] >> It's like a reverse arranged marriage.
[43:31] >> Yeah. It's I didn't know they could do
[43:33] it. They said it was unequitable. Um,
[43:36] but she also was like I think at the
[43:37] time I was buying the Nucket house. It's
[43:39] like, well, it it it if we just split
[43:42] everything, it's just going to sit there
[43:44] in the bank account anyways the same
[43:45] way, except I don't have the collateral
[43:47] to get to Nucket House. And she didn't
[43:48] want it. And we had a very good it's
[43:50] like she gets it. It was set up in a way
[43:52] exactly pretty much how we were living
[43:55] for the past 5 to 6 years except to make
[43:57] it legal and the judge was like, "No."
[43:59] So, it's very rare, I think, in life
[44:03] that you have somebody that you can
[44:04] trust like that, which you've been
[44:06] through the ups and downs and
[44:07] everything. And she's one of them. I'll
[44:09] always be there for her and I think
[44:10] she'll be there for me.
[44:11] >> Yeah, makes sense. Uh, Bitcoin, you went
[44:14] from uh I think hating it to you. You
[44:17] became the diamond hand.
[44:18] >> Yeah, I hate it again.
[44:19] >> Yeah. Why?
[44:19] >> Yeah. Well, what do you think? Why? It's
[44:21] like I'm always in at the wrong time.
[44:23] So,
[44:23] >> when you when you start talking about
[44:25] it, I do get nervous.
[44:26] >> Yeah.
[44:26] >> As soon as I see you start, I'm like, a
[44:28] [ __ ]
[44:28] >> So, I I originally the whole Winkl Voss
[44:31] disaster was it was 11,000 when the
[44:34] Winkl Vosses explained to me what
[44:36] Bitcoin was. came to your house and I
[44:37] remember
[44:37] >> the first time it was we're both in the
[44:39] Hamptons there at the same hotel and
[44:42] they they're like we own like whatever
[44:43] the Bitcoin and we're 6'2 and there's
[44:46] two of us so we'll come explain it to
[44:48] you and they said Elon Musk will go to
[44:51] outer space he's going to mine gold from
[44:53] outer space and rain down plentiful said
[44:56] these [ __ ] guys are crazy so I had
[44:59] bought 2 million of it at 11,000 they
[45:02] walked out of the room sold them I don't
[45:04] I I do not understand any of what
[45:07] they're saying. It went to like 50,000
[45:10] or 60,000 in fast order. Like you can
[45:12] probably find the date of when they did
[45:14] that and see how quickly
[45:16] >> from like August or September of 2020 to
[45:19] like March of 2021. 6 months.
[45:21] >> Yes. So, and that's when they were
[45:22] there. August. So, it's like all right,
[45:25] I if you 6x 2 million, that's 12
[45:28] million. I I was not happy. And then I
[45:30] was like, I got to get back in it.
[45:32] Everyone's talking about this thing.
[45:33] I've been in out. I'm in. right now
[45:37] probably at an average of like a hundred
[45:39] bucks something like that. What do we
[45:41] have 59? I don't know what the hell's
[45:43] going on with it. I really don't.
[45:44] >> Nobody knows.
[45:45] >> No, I mean you got Sailor selling it
[45:47] saying it's good that he's selling it.
[45:50] Who knows? Who knows? I'm not going to
[45:51] sell it. It may go to zero. I may lose
[45:53] millions again.
[45:54] >> All right. But it's not like a material
[45:55] part of your net worth.
[45:58] >> It's enough that I'm like I look at it
[46:00] every day. Will I be fine? Yeah. Uh, but
[46:02] I probably had, you know,
[46:06] 15 million in it at some point. You
[46:08] >> $15 million of Bitcoin?
[46:09] >> Not anymore. I don't.
[46:10] >> No. No.
[46:11] >> But I probably did. Yeah.
[46:14] >> You know, you know how to get 10 million
[46:15] is you start with 15.
[46:16] >> Yeah. I I mean I'm always always
[46:22] on the wrong side of Bitcoin and crypto.
[46:24] Always.
[46:25] >> Well, there's other coins that you
[46:26] bought along the way and I could see
[46:28] like the chats, right? Yeah,
[46:30] >> the chats would convince you.
[46:32] >> Well, I I dabbled with meme coins, which
[46:34] was honestly maybe in the 20 years the
[46:37] craziest thing I was ever involved in.
[46:39] Like it
[46:39] >> remember you did the hat uh like a
[46:41] college selection and uh you picked one
[46:43] of the coins over that?
[46:45] >> That was Safe Moon.
[46:46] >> Safe Moon.
[46:47] >> Yeah. And then I got mentioned in a
[46:49] lawsuit. They're like, "You were an
[46:50] insidider." Like I literally picked out
[46:52] of a hat said, "I have no idea. It's
[46:54] probably a scam." And I lost all my
[46:56] money. So, but I had to hire a lawyer
[46:59] because there's all these influencers
[47:01] who I guess were given free Safe Moon
[47:03] and didn't disclose and I got included
[47:05] in that and it's like I got my I got
[47:08] killed. I told people but I had to pay a
[47:10] lawyer and then they laid it out and
[47:12] they dismissed me from the charge but I
[47:13] still to pay for it. Yeah. So, I I'm
[47:16] always always always on the wrong side
[47:19] of everything regarding that.
[47:21] >> How do you pick what stocks you buy now?
[47:23] Uh, I I'm fairly safe right now. Like I
[47:27] I have a guy who helps me like a broker,
[47:30] but it it it's fairly safe. There's
[47:32] nothing crazy in there.
[47:33] >> All right. I want I want to uh mention
[47:35] three moments in Barcel history. You
[47:37] tell me what you remember from them. Uh
[47:39] Brady 6
[47:41] >> going to jail. Clearly that that's the
[47:43] most
[47:43] >> Did you think you were going to go to
[47:44] jail?
[47:45] >> No. No. They're very bar stool. It's
[47:47] like I we don't think too far in
[47:48] advance. Um, I thought even
[47:51] >> you change, just for people who don't
[47:52] know, you change yourself to the NFL.
[47:55] >> So when Brady got the four game
[47:57] suspension from the NFL for defle, we're
[48:00] like, we got to do something. We're
[48:01] still in Boston. Drove to New York, put
[48:04] like one, two, I black on, Patrick year.
[48:07] We went to NFL headquarters, demanded to
[48:09] speak to Roger Goodell. They said no.
[48:12] They actually first asked if we had an
[48:13] appointment and then uh they said no.
[48:17] But we handcuffed ourselves to each
[48:18] other in the headquarters and did a sit
[48:20] in and got arrested and and the police
[48:22] were kind of they knew who we were at
[48:23] that point a little bit. They're kind of
[48:25] joking. So I didn't think we were going
[48:26] to get arrested. Uh I was wrong. We
[48:29] spent a day in jail. It was horrible. So
[48:31] that that's the memory.
[48:32] >> Did people in jail know who you were?
[48:34] >> No. No.
[48:35] >> Oh, the cops did.
[48:36] >> The cops? No.
[48:37] >> Thank God because they were trying to
[48:38] move us around. What do they call the
[48:40] tunnels? That's where we were. I mean,
[48:42] if you like commit murder, you go to the
[48:44] tunnels. like it's where everybody goes
[48:45] who commits a crime in New York City
[48:47] that night and there can be some scary
[48:49] people there. The cops knew we were not
[48:52] a threat and they were trying to move us
[48:53] around to keep us kind of separated from
[48:55] like hardened criminals. Um yeah, that
[48:58] >> you mean the guys in the Patriots gear
[49:00] or not?
[49:00] >> Yeah, right. Like the guys protesting
[49:02] brave when the judge saw us the next day
[49:04] and it would be like the case before us
[49:06] would be like domestic abuse, something
[49:08] serious or like a murder and then we get
[49:10] up there and she like what' you do? was
[49:12] like we pro protested Tom fl Tom Tom
[49:14] Brady and she cracked a little smile.
[49:16] It's off our records. So yeah.
[49:18] >> All right. Howitzer Gate is probably one
[49:20] of the the craziest ones.
[49:22] >> Yeah. It's funny because Will Compton
[49:23] who worked for us busting with the boys.
[49:25] Big star. Uh
[49:27] >> is he a star?
[49:28] >> He's a star. He's a he's a star. And I
[49:30] like Will. He's one of the guys I wish
[49:32] we could have back. But um he text
[49:34] >> what's it called? Like Seal Seal Team
[49:36] Six or whatever. What does he do? Dad
[49:38] Team Six.
[49:39] >> Yeah. He does all sorts of stuff like
[49:40] that. But uh he texted me this morning.
[49:42] He didn't even know about Brady Gate.
[49:43] That shows how long we've been doing. He
[49:44] worked for us. Had no idea what it was.
[49:46] >> Wow.
[49:47] >> That I mean he's viral. He brings you in
[49:49] the closet, you know, farts in the
[49:51] phone.
[49:51] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, he he he's
[49:53] >> he is a big star.
[49:54] >> Yeah. Um
[49:55] >> Howitzer Gate.
[49:58] >> That was was that our first really huge
[50:01] controversy. So, that's back in the
[50:03] blogging days when I'm just cranking out
[50:06] 10 to 15 blogs a day, every 45 minutes
[50:08] looking for something. Uh, that's
[50:10] interesting. It's also the height of the
[50:12] Patriots, Colts rivalry, specifically
[50:14] Brady versus Manning. Like, I hated Pton
[50:17] Manning. I was so team Patriots,
[50:19] whatever. At this point, every the media
[50:21] is always Pton Manning this, Pton
[50:23] Manning that, Colts this, Colts that,
[50:25] Colts 14-0 to start a season. Patriots
[50:27] got no respect, but we whooped them
[50:28] every year. Talk to one. So, and I'm
[50:31] doing my scrolling across the internet
[50:33] to talk about, find things to talk
[50:35] about, and lo and behold, there's a
[50:37] picture of Jazelle, uh, Brady's wife,
[50:39] their little toddler on the beach. It's
[50:42] an infant toddler, wellendowed, to say
[50:46] the least. It was like shocking. So, I
[50:48] wrote a blog, check out the Howarditzer
[50:51] on Brady's kid. And then the sentence
[50:53] below is Pton Manning could never have a
[50:56] kid like this. That was it. It was like
[50:58] a shot at Pton Manning. Moved on. Didn't
[51:00] think anything of it.
[51:01] >> Like that was a whole blog post.
[51:02] >> Yeah, that was it. It was like just Pton
[51:04] Manning could never have a kid like
[51:05] this. Press publish. Move on. I don't
[51:09] know how long it was. Couple hours. All
[51:11] hell breaks loose. Dave's a pedophile.
[51:13] Dave's posting pictures of uh kids
[51:16] dicks.
[51:17] A lot of people didn't know how the
[51:19] internet worked. People were acting like
[51:20] I was in the bushes with a camera, a
[51:23] long range camera taking a picture. The
[51:25] picture was all over the paparazzi
[51:26] pages. like the same pages we went to
[51:29] get photographed. It was everywhere. And
[51:30] I thought I was making a very clear Pton
[51:32] Manning joke. Well, I mean, people were
[51:36] calling for my head. The state police
[51:39] showed up at my house. Uh, I was on
[51:41] Howard Stern. Howard Stern trashed me.
[51:43] It was It was nuts. And people still, in
[51:46] the book, I talk about it. People still
[51:48] bring up out of context tweets from that
[51:50] controversy as like
[51:53] >> trying to say got them.
[51:54] >> Yeah. Like Dave Dave, there's a there's
[51:56] a a tweet I have that says, "Wh he's
[51:58] he's two years old. It's child porn." I
[52:01] This sounds horrible even saying I'm
[52:03] mimicking people who are saying that
[52:05] because it's like the kid's so young. If
[52:07] you sexualize the kid, you're screwed
[52:09] up. It's like the Gerber baby. But
[52:12] people have no idea what the quote came
[52:14] from or what it's in. So they're like,
[52:16] "Dave, it's crazy." Um, so yeah, that
[52:19] was a that was a wild time. Wild. All
[52:22] right, last one is uh Tiko Texas.
[52:26] >> I didn't see that one. Tikico, Texas.
[52:29] >> I mean, that's gota that's like catch me
[52:30] outside before catch me outside.
[52:32] >> Yeah,
[52:34] Tico Texas. Tico Texas.
[52:38] How do we even start here? So, so Loud
[52:42] Sean is a rapper.
[52:43] >> Yep.
[52:44] >> Loud Sean.
[52:45] >> What a name.
[52:45] >> Yeah. La uh No. Was it Loud? No. Little
[52:49] Sean. Big Sean. Big Sean. Loud Shawn was
[52:52] a crazy employee we had. Big Shawn
[52:54] rapper was dating Ariana Grande. Yep.
[52:57] >> They broke up.
[52:58] >> Kevin Clancy, who works for us,
[53:01] >> was like, "What a what what a fumble by
[53:04] Big Sean. You're never going to get
[53:06] someone bigger than Ari better than
[53:08] Ariana Grande. You're lucky you had
[53:10] Ariana Grande." There was a rapper in
[53:13] Texas called Tikico Texas who I don't
[53:17] know how her Twitter feed found Kevin's
[53:20] tweet, but it did. And she did not like
[53:23] it. She was a big Big Sean fan. How dare
[53:27] you say that about Big Shawn. You're an
[53:29] idiot. She was black. Kevin's white. She
[53:32] started calling him a baseball fan. That
[53:34] was her word for like white fans. And
[53:36] she's like, "You're the worst." It
[53:38] turned into this battle and
[53:43] Tikico Texas wrote a rap song about
[53:46] Kevin dissing him. Kevin wrote a
[53:50] rebuttal rap song about Tico Texas also
[53:54] killed me in it because I was on Tico's
[53:56] side. I was like, "Go get Kevin. He's
[53:58] such a baseball fan." Whatever Tico did,
[54:00] I was like, "Tell me more, Tico." And uh
[54:03] I ended up then writing a rap song,
[54:05] getting in the rise page, use Rise. I
[54:07] went to South by Southwest to visit Tiko
[54:11] in one of the crazier three-day trips
[54:13] I've ever had. She eventually was a
[54:15] full-time employee Tikico, Texas. She
[54:18] just stopped showing up to work. Um, but
[54:20] just
[54:21] >> you had to fire her.
[54:22] >> Oh, yeah.
[54:23] >> Yeah. Just another one.
[54:24] >> It is hard to get fired from Bar.
[54:26] >> Real hard. She just wasn't showing up.
[54:27] >> Yeah.
[54:27] >> Her contract was probably up and we
[54:29] didn't renew. Uh, just another one of
[54:31] those crazy shooting stars we've had in
[54:34] our universe.
[54:35] >> All right. You got this book uh that
[54:37] came out uh Dave Poroy, cancel me if you
[54:39] can. I got to say the best marketing
[54:41] I've seen for a book is you sitting next
[54:43] to the pool. Just open up to a random
[54:44] page. You just start reading and it's
[54:46] electric.
[54:46] >> Oh yeah.
[54:47] >> I mean that is like there is no better
[54:49] like let me show you.
[54:50] >> Yeah. I wish I could read the whole
[54:52] thing in that voice. I the audio book
[54:54] you can't be like that because it's hard
[54:56] to read like that an entire book. But
[54:57] yeah, that that
[54:59] >> I haven't felt pressure to market
[55:01] anything in a long time. I feel pressure
[55:04] with the book. Like I don't know why I
[55:06] do like if it's not on the New York best
[55:08] bestsellers list. I I
[55:10] >> Do you think they would put you on if
[55:11] you had the numbers?
[55:12] >> So I didn't know that it was
[55:14] >> it's editorialized. Yeah.
[55:15] >> Correct. Now they did promote it as
[55:17] saying it would be one of the bigger
[55:18] books of the summer. So maybe. But yeah,
[55:21] I I
[55:23] >> I I don't know why. I don't know why
[55:24] some things put pressure on me. I feel
[55:26] pressure for this to be successful.
[55:28] >> All right. Well, we don't want you to
[55:29] feel pressure. So
[55:30] >> I do. I feel pressure.
[55:31] >> No, I know. But like if people go by the
[55:32] book then the pressure is relieved.
[55:33] >> You need to buy book buy multiple.
[55:35] They're not that expensive. And for the
[55:37] first week, when's this dropping?
[55:38] >> Uh today.
[55:39] >> So I'm doing $10 because I didn't do
[55:42] this for money. And to be honest, I
[55:43] don't even understand how the book
[55:45] industry works. It it seems like not the
[55:48] most lucrative thing of all time to
[55:49] spend your time on a book. Um no offense
[55:51] to, you know, our publishing is great
[55:53] gallery, but I don't get the finances. I
[55:56] didn't do it for the money, but so $10
[55:58] every book I'm giving to Lifeline Animal
[56:00] Shelter this week, which is basically
[56:02] probably all the profit. Uh, which is
[56:04] where I got Miss Miss Peaches and Pet.
[56:06] >> Yeah. Bar Stool Fund, you did a great
[56:08] job there. Now you do more with the
[56:09] animals, right?
[56:10] >> Yep. Yep.
[56:10] >> How many uh businesses with the Barcel
[56:12] Fund?
[56:12] >> We're close to 450. Raised about 50
[56:14] million.
[56:15] >> Yeah, that's crazy.
[56:16] >> Yeah, that's probably the proudest thing
[56:18] that I have. Actually, that's another I
[56:20] should have said another interaction
[56:22] with you, Erica, and Bar stool was
[56:23] watching you guys try to figure out how
[56:25] to take crypto was quite hilarious.
[56:27] >> Yes. Yeah. And and there were a lot of
[56:29] big mouths in crypto who got shut up
[56:31] real quick though because they're like,
[56:32] "If you get it, we'll donate all this
[56:34] money." And that just never came. It's
[56:36] like, "We spent all this. Where's our
[56:38] crypto?" It just never came.
[56:40] >> I remember I introduced you guys to a
[56:41] company like, "All right, we'll help."
[56:42] And then they called me back and they
[56:43] were like, "I don't know if anyone can
[56:44] help them."
[56:45] >> We did. We had no idea how to do it.
[56:46] None. Zero. But all these people like
[56:48] take crypto, we'll do it. We'll do it.
[56:50] We did get it done and it just never
[56:52] came. But yeah, that was uh very proud
[56:55] of that. I mean, there's a lot of
[56:56] business still if I see them like we
[56:59] saved a lot of business, a lot of great
[57:01] businesses. So, I'm proud of that.
[57:02] >> Listen, I think that you probably get
[57:04] too much [ __ ] for the uh for the bad
[57:05] stuff. You don't get enough credit for
[57:07] the good stuff. So, I think you're doing
[57:08] a great job. Cancel me if you can.
[57:09] Everyone go pick it up. Appreciate it.