you're playing the game, then you need to react. And so then you need a bit of radical optimism. Um you know, and and so I think it's optimism for yourself, radical realism for how the world actually works. Um a and just really focusing on like sovereign countries, sovereign businesses, sovereign individuals. That's kind of where the Bitcoin ethos came to me. Um, having been around the block with uh with Bitcoin and all the all the different stories that have happened over that 15 years. >> Who do you think runs America?
That's kind of where the Bitcoin ethos came to me.