Caitlin Kalinowski: Yeah. Lenny Rachitsky: Oh man. Nat Friedman just did this interesting talk at Stripe Sessions, and he's talking to his OpenClaw about drinking more water and sleeping better. And as he's driving in a self-driving car, it told him, "Okay, here, there's a place off the freeway that you should go to." And it changed the destination of his Tesla to take him there, because I imagine he connected it to their API at some point. Caitlin Kalinowski: That's so funny. These are going to get weird fast, I think. Lenny Rachitsky: Okay. So kind of on this thread of hardware emerging as a moat, as something people realize is a big part of the future to be competitive, AI labs, all these other companies, you've been at a company's ... You've been at Apple, which had a very great and long-lasting hardware program. Then you went to Meta where you helped build, basically bootstrap a hardware program from scratch. I feel like those lessons are very valuable to people trying to do that now. What was that experience like, helping Meta build a hardware program, and what are some lessons for people that are trying to do this at their company?
And as he's driving in a self-driving car, it told him, "Okay, here, there's a place off the freeway that you should go to." And it changed the destination of his Tesla to take him there, because I imagine he connected it to their API at some point.