Lenny Rachitsky: Wow. I wasn't expecting to go down that that paper was scary. And I'm curious just I guess I can't help but ask just thoughts on just how do we avoid the scary scenario that paper paints of where AI getting really smart goes? Mike Krieger: Yeah, this maybe ties into, I've been here a year, why did I join Anthropic? I was watching the models get better and even you could see it in early 2024, and looking at my kids, I'm like, "All right, they're going to grow up in a world with AI. It's unavoidable." Where can I maximally apply my time to nudge things towards going well? And I mean that's a lot of what people think about across the industry, especially at Anthropic. And so I think coming to an agreement and a shared framework and understanding of what does going well look like? What is the kind of human AI relationship that we want?
I was watching the models get better and even you could see it in early 2024, and looking at my kids, I'm like, "All right, they're going to grow up in a world with AI.