And he had investors who were excited to back him, but they were like effective altruism, like true believers. It wasn't the top venture fund. None of the top venture funds wanted to participate in this round. It wasn't a hot company at all by modern standards. And generative AI, the boom hadn't happened yet. ChatGPT hadn't been invented yet. So the mass psychosis we're all living through had not occurred yet. Nonetheless, they were true believers in this safety mission and so one of their investors suggested they come talk to me.
And generative AI, the boom hadn't happened yet.