kicking and we're beginning to look, the market's near all-time highs. >> Crazy. >> Yeah. Right. Even though interest rates are going up and interest rates will go up if growth really picks up dramatically and they should go up. That's the market working. >> Yeah. I think this is the bull case for America, right? USDC circulating faster. The buildout that you've seen, we have no securitization in Europe. We have no energy. And surely this could kind of be the bull case. You have the muses, the instincts, the Grock bots of the world. The base case is be more, do more.
Even though interest rates are going up and interest rates will go up if growth really picks up dramatically and they should go up.